Monday, January 14, 2008

Finances of Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM) Jan. 08

Preamble

(Last Update: January 5, 2008)

Participation is free: this is the message stressed at all times by the Shri Ram Chandra Mission. Indeed, to begin to meditate with Sahaj Marg requires no expenditure, no commitment. To continue "Freely" (without costs) on this path becomes much more difficult. First, it encourages you to buy the books of Master Chari, and particularly "My Master" to better understand his thinking. Then they encourage you to contribute to the association to become a member. Anyway, if you want to meet the teacher - which is highly recommended - you have to participate in international seminars of SRCM ®. To do this, you must have an identity card made by SRCM International, which implies that you are already a member in your country of residence, and that you are up to date on your contribution to your national association…

Without really noticing, you just took your very first step down the slippery slope of the vast machine of the financial SRCM ®! Do not worry, it will never let go you…


The official Resources of the Mission

(Last Update: January 5, 2008)

According to the Shri Ram Chandra Mission, the only resources of the Mission consists of contributions and donations from its members, as well as the sale of its publications. OK! Let us accept this and see!

1. Contributions and Donations

To participate fully in the life of the mission, it is essential to be a member. Ie pay one's annual dues to the local association of SRCM ®. In France, there are 5 types of memberships (member, participant, active partner or benefactor), from € 75 to € 1,200. To participate in international seminars, it is necessary to add an international identity card costing US $ 10 each.

Beyond these fees themselves, SRCM regularly solicits from its followers donations to expand the mission in the world, which is one of its key objectives. In addition, each new project is accompanied by financial demands. All disasters (earthquakes, floods, etc.) are also now the object of funds being collected.

The form of gift then inevitably includes a formula where Chari keeps to himself the right to divert the donation for the benefit of a very different purpose than initially presented.

In some countries, local associations SRCM ® are recognized as public utilities and receive a tax exemption on donations. This is not the case in France, where they are therefore strongly discouraged.

Overall, donations and contributions combined, represent between half and two thirds of the SRCM association's resources, according to the figures which are known to us. The amount ranges from 50 to around € 140 per contributing abhyasi depending on the country, outside India.

2. Publications for Collectors

Originally, the publications were created by the SRCM of Babuji's time, to distribute his writings. Soon, with Chari, their goal drifted. The "constant remembrance" has led to the posting of the picture of the Guru in each abhyasi's house, then in each room. SRCM editions have sold souvenir photos, scaled down or in actual size. Then came preceptor badges, T-shirts, and so on.

All speeches of Chari, even the smallest words are transcribed, reviewed and corrected (censored?), compiled and published. Each event is immortalized by a photographer duly accredited, that then leads to the subject of a photo album. From the book or album, they went to the DVD and CD… SRCM Printing has been transformed into a vast multimedia company, sending and marketing its products around the world.

To finance the investment necessary for this development, SRCM ® has procured cash by offering subscriptions for life, first for its various paper publications, then for its audio-visual publications, averaging € 1000.

Today, any new project is accompanied by its derivative products, responsible for funding all or part of the costs. Thus, the creation of the LMOIS school coincided with the release of the book "Whispers in the Brighter World" sold 250. Chari's 80th anniversary was accompanied by a DVD "chest" of "He, the Hooka, and I", at 1,000 €, etc. .

Associations & Foundations

(Last Update: January 5, 2008)

If local associations have long housed the entire finances of the mission, things have changed. Santosh Khanjee, yet again, has also reorganized the national accounts and financial flows, adding the Foundations.

1. Some Very Framed Local Accounting

Fees are collected at the centers. In France, € 60 is levied on each contribution to go up to the national level. So roughly € 15 per abhyasi remains at the center which must be capable of coping with all the local expenses. A rate of 25 abhyasis percentre, it is an average budget of € 375. But there are smaller centers and larger centers with rental property (room) or ashrams, each having to manage to secure its financing independently.

If a center wants to open a bank account, it must seek permission directly from Chari who will have a permanent and individual signature on the account. Every quarter, a financial report must be sent to President Chari and his secretariat (VIL). Every year, a budget must be submitted for approval. If an expenditure exceeds US $ 1000, the prior agreement of the VIL is essential. The same goes for any new investment…

The national association therefore gets the lion's share of the contributions and is subject to the same rules as the centers. In France, it is almost € 7,000 which must be used to ensure the functioning of the association. They cover the administrative supplies and secretarial costs, but also legal advice or part of the costs of President Chari.

The functioning of the association is just one of the three activities of the analytical accounts of the association, along with the sale of publications and seminars. Each of these activities must balance its own revenues and expenditures.

The total of official resources of the local associations of SRCM ® represent between 77 to € 229 per abhyasi, depending on the country outside India. If one is based on an average turnover of € 150 per abhyasi, and € 30 in India where costs seem divided by five, one could extrapolate a total annual turnover of between 5 and 17 million Euros for the "SRCM Group", according to one's accounting of between 100 to 300,000 followers.

Their (SRCM) assessment varies even more steeply, from 167 to 2,092 per € abhyasi. According to the same kind of extrapolation, with an average of € 750 per abhyasi one could assess the assets of the Mission at between 25 and 95 million euros.

2. Opaque Foundations to Manage the Assets

Umesh Chandra Saxena, meanwhile, believed that the assets in 1997 at some 200 million euros, while the Mission abhyasis announced only 55000, or € 3636 per abhyiasi! If the assets had followed the same path as the number of followers, it would today reach somewhere between 363 million and one billion euros… This means that more than 90% of assets would be camouflaged.

Today, most of the donations, whether in cash or in kind (land, infrastructure), must pass through the foundations of SRCM. The first of these the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundations was created in Texas by Santosh Khanjee, but they are now also found in India, Switzerland and Dubai…

And if the relevant accounts of local associations are presented annually to the general membership, this is not the same for these sinister foundations. On the occasion of the establishment of the LMOIS school, Chari said, "(…) there is no black money transaction-no trustees following the money. I'm here to see to that."

In the USA, foundations enjoy tax exemption provided that at least 5% of donations are given to to charity. The Texan SMSF has regularly paid the money to the Red Cross (September 11, Katrina, etc.). Dubai is home to the first economic free zone in the Middle East, more than 6,000 foreign companies are permitted to operate in the "offshore" category, without obligation to link to local partners, with no restrictions on work permits, without exchange controls with the and ability to repatriate 100% of the capital as profits, without any imposition on the companies as with individuals, or taxes on import or export.

The "real estate" assets of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission was accumulated gradually, first in the West with the purchase of Augerans in 1988, the inauguration of the ashrams of Vrads (Denmark) and Molena (Georgia, USA) in 1992, then the babuji Memorial Ashram near Madras in India in 1999, after vigorously sought donations.

There is now total confusion between the sale of publications and donations since the purchase of publications is considered donation to the projects of Sahaj Marg. One example is the sale of "Whispers" for the creation of the LMOIS school in 2005, "Hookah" (book) in 2007 for the 80th anniversary of Chari, and so on. And the lavish spending grows, as a showcase of an attractive Sahaj Marg: Satkhol Ashram in the Himalayas, the LMOIS school, CREST retreat centers in Bangalore, and SPURS in Austin, Texas.


The Taste of Money

(Last Update: January 5, 2008)

Let's ignore all these analyses, and let Master talk Chari (Speech at Tiruppur November 18, 2007):

Master led the satsangh until 9:50 in the morning (from 9 am to 9:50). After the satsangh, the head of Tiruppur center said that Master was stopped by very young children as he was heading to the meditation hall. They handed a small pot (plastic) filled with coins and they said to Master: "Use the money for the development of your ashram." So Master said, "Our children know exactly where their duty lies. Here also, we need to contribute to the development. "

Immediately Master took the microphone and said:" I am pleased with what's happening here and I am happy to be here. In many missions, it is customary to give a weight equal to that of the guru in gold, and even sometimes in diamonds. The guru can weigh 150 kg. The sum may unfortunately be spent freely, in the company of the film artists he enjoys. But here I hope you can all give like this (he shows the pot, which should weigh 5 kg). So, do not weigh me, please give the equivalent of these 5 kg - but only on condition that there are only 1000 rupee bills. I want the surface of this park at Tiruppur DJ to become like a paradise so that whoever flies over (Air) this site should be able to see this paradise from above.

Will you help me develop it? "

All abhyasis said, "Yes, Master"

Master: "OK, now on to the donation itself. "All abhyasis rushed to Master with 1000 rupee bills. Brothers and sisters at the same time formed a long queue, completely filling the hall and made a personal donation to Master. Master took the money from each of them, saying "Thank you. "

All abhyasis had a great opportunity to meet Master himself while giving some money. Several couples met Master so that he bless their wedding day, or name their child, etc. Which also happened in the line-up. Master joked with the children and gave chocolate to each of them and said: "It's very expensive chocolate now because it costs 1000 rupees here," and he was joking with all while collecting the money.

Master remained seated for more than two hours. Once all abhyasis had given, Master said, "When I made the Sarovar (water castle) here at this site, many asked me why it was so named. It is a KRIPA SAROVAR because today I took out hundreds of fish. I am extremely happy to welcome you all and to meet you. I can not say thank you, but I bless you all. "

It was a moment of great joy and Master left us after that. All abhyasis were filled with joy and they had the great opportunity to talk to him face to face, and Master took the trouble to sit more than two hours to make our happiness.

More In Depth

Collusion with business?

(Last Update: January 5, 2008)

An example: Pratibha Syntex Ltd of SK Chaudhary regular makes payment of funds to the SMSF Chennai. It also participates in the management of Balla Ram Hanuman Das Charitable Trust (Trust BRHD) founded in 1977 by Seth Ballaram Chaudhary, Patriarch of the illustrious Chaudhary Bahal family, and founder of the Vikram India Ltd group. The BRHD Trust funded the BRCM Public School and the BRCM College of Engineering and Technology as well as the meditation hall of SRCM at Bahal. Most positions of the BRHD Trust are held by employees of Pratibha Syntex Ltd and its BRCM school promotes the SRCM on their website.

What to say about HTC Global Services Inc, also called Hi Tech Consultants? The CEO of the start-up company founded in 1990 that employs more than 2,500 people is the preceptor Sahaj Marg and auditor of the SRCM USA. One of its directors in the USA is the regional administrator of SRCM in North America, and its director in Australia is one of the main members of the SMRTI after being vice president of the SRCM for Oceania. HTC is present in the USA, India, Australia, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates. Its manufacturing facility is located in Chennai, where it employs many abhyasis…

"Whispers From the Brighter World" (book)
The Guru is formidable at marketing


(Last Update: January 5, 2008)

On 30 March 2005, Chari announced the upcoming release of a book about which nobody knows anything. It is not yet printed. Its title, its authors and its contents are unknown! But to obtain this book, it is necessary to make a donation of € 250 to the SMSF ®, "based on trust" with respect to Chari. Because until April 15, it will be too late "even if you come with a lakh rupees."

Large commercial operation defended by Chari: "For once in your life, you have a 'book future'. And your future is linked to this book. I will not mention this again because I have not come here to ask for Money. " (Emphasis by the SRCM).

On 1 May, in his speech to the American abhyasis at Tiruppur, Chari is back on the topic. Before his speech in March, he had only 800 to 1,000 orders, but on April 15 figures stood at 5,200 copies. "Knowledge is unnecessary, so long as you have faith. Because if you did not have trust in me, you would not buy that book." Indeed, we must have faith to buy a book for over 1,600 FF when we know nothing of its contents ...

In the meantime, this small operation will reportedly bring in a mere (bagatelle) of at least 1.3 million.

And it's not over. Chari prohibits the French translation of the book, including even that of some passages, as a French version was announced in September 2005 for publication in January 2007 at a cost of € 300 copy. "Given the amount, payment by installment is possible, however, the total is to be paid by 31 December 05 (…) to note that each copy of this book is personal." Clearly, no collective (group) purchase is authorized by Chari.

Testimonial from ex-Zonal-in-Charge of the Netherlands

Frank Waaldijk is a former Zonal-in-Charge of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission for the Netherlands (supervision of 50 (fifty abhyasis). After being a member of the Mission from 1993 to 2005, he recently (2008) created a blog called "Pitfalls of Spirituality" you can find at this address:
http://pitfallsofspirituality.blogspot.com/


about the book `whispers from the brighter world' to which you refer (the spiritistic medium messages):

as you will recall it was released on chari's birthday, but only for limited pre-inscribers. in the year beforehand one could pre-inscribe at the cost of €250,- per book.

the book was described as containing unique & essential insights for spiritual progress. also, it would never be available again afterwards, it would not be reprinted.

a classic combination of fear & temptation.

but some abhyasis whom i knew were truly cut up about it, because they really could not afford such a book. and they felt, well you can imagine.

so i gave a talk (on babuji's birthday) in denmark, relating personal experience with a third-world surgeon who gave out his books for free, because he wanted his knowledge to be used by doctors all over, without financial barriers.

but, is said, i understand the wish to finance certain activities. and i so suggested that instead of selling the €250 books piecemeal, it would be better to sell them 10 or 50 at a time to well-off people, who could then give away a remainder to centers all over, so that everyone would have easy access to this valuable spiritual material.

you will not believe how i was reprimanded for this talk. someone was sent over to tell me that as a zonal-in-charge (which i was at the time, but only of the netherlands, so about 50 people...) it was entirely inappropriate for me to say things like that.

other abhyasis, some of them whom i had been friendly with for years, really avoided me and cut off their contact with me.

well, i won't go into all the details, the illustration is clear. but in retrospect, when the book finally came out, i was even more flabbergasted to see that it contained such spiritistic medium garbage.

i have looked at a few of the messages. they do not contain any new insight. they are just advertisements for the method, and especially for chari.

so in essence it was a money scheme. the reason why i mind is that it was not put simply as an open request: we would like to do this and this, for this we need such and such amount, if you feel like helping us, please donate.

it was intricately tied to spiritual progress and morality (we should help master and give money), and people really felt bad about not buying the book.

i will address these issues certainly in posts to come (afterlife, group morality & moral pressure, fear & temptation, money, power).


The Example of 2005

(Last Update: January 5, 2008)

Donations are widely underestimated because of transfers out of the national circuits. And in 2005, unlike in the past, shows a dangerous development of calls for donations:

* January, the year began with the tsunami. In Germany and Austria, € 8,400 is collected per abhyasis thanks 750 followers accounted by the mission, or more than € 10 per abhyasis.

* February, Chari inaugurates its first-ever school, Lalaji Omega Memorial School. In his speech on 25/02/05, it's about money and confidence, and he called… for donations: "It is not part of the mission, but the mission is very much part of it. The school will be run by the Baal Vatika Educational Society. The funding will be done by the Baal Vatika Educational Trust. The major source of financing, even for the Trust, will be the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (…) Of course we need money to realise all these things . We are already indebted to the Allahabad Bank. Fifty lakhs we have already taken (…) So, we need generosity of our people. Parents of children should not only give fees, they should also consent to giving a donation. Receipts will be issued ; there is no black money transaction-no trustees following the money. I am here to see to that. [chuckles] So you see, to provide adequate resources, I propose to start a scheme of donations, say, a minimum of three lakhs which will go to a corpus fund called the Scholarship Fund (…) Those who are willing to give their cheques may bring-three lakhs, which will be gratefully received. The cheques must be in the name of Baal Vatika Educational Trust. Remember, the Trust receives the money, the Society spends the money. [chuckles] "

* March to May, the release of the book "Whispers form the Brighter World" will bring about 1.3 million.

* August, Chari goes in search of funds. To do this, the SRCM creates an Audio / Video Corpus (AVC) with the possibility of a lifetime subscription for publishing audio and video of SRCM from January 2006, with 1,000 euros or dollars, but with a restriction announced for the first 2000 registrants. Chari therefore seeks some 2 million…

* September, Katrina hits the southern United States. The SRCM which made an initial donation of US $ 10,000 to the Red Cross, calls the troops to provide funds and, for once, agrees to pay the entire collected donations to the Red Cross . In the end, the transaction would have allowed the collection of 50000 USD.

* October, Chari "has established a President's Relief Fund in response to the recent natural calamities around the world. The fund is being established to offer financial support and assistance to stricken families. The fund may also be used to fund other projects, at his discretion "(Sahaj Sandesh No. 49 - 20/10/2005)

In total, international donations that have fuelled the SRCM in 2005 without going through the national accounts would amount, according to those we know, to more than 4 million, to add to the 5 million of the various agglomerates of national budgets. It almost doubles the total. Obviously ignored are all other national or regional demands (auctions at Lignano, Italy, Vrads craft market, buying an ashram in London, and so on).

The LMOIS School

(Updated: Jan, 2008

For the Shri Ram Chandra Mission TM, this school was born of a conjuction of three events: Chariji now seeks by all means to multiply the forms of Sahaj Marg, TM presence on the ground; the past few years SMRTI has been trying to disseminate The Sahaj Marg TM to the children, and finally since a longer time, Jacqueline Seiller wanted to combine her experiences as a teacher with Sahaj Marg TM.

The SMRTI, a research and education institute is today depending on the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation TM, first developed educational tools for abhyasis and preceptors. Soon it was also interested in the youth audience, and has developed fables and nursery rhymes to develop the "Sahaj Marg Culture" in the children. All of this has led to the creation of the "Value Based Spiritual Education" (VBSE), which, under a very humanistic exterior, is in reality a vehicle for the often less brilliant thinking of Chariji. (see analysis 4d-Don).

Like many other abhyasi teachers, Jacqueline Seiller, director of a Montessori school in Chennai, refused to admit that the "values" of SRCM TM remain at the door of school. It had to cross the barrier. Therefore, it was done from the start by the SMSF TM and Chariji with the construction of the LMOS, a new Indian showcase for Sahaj Marg TM and the international tour undertaken by its ambassador Seiller to sell the project to abhyasis worldwide and thus raise the necessary funds.

The school is now headed by the Baal Vatika Educational Society and funded by the Baal Vatika Educational Trust, (recently changed to "Lalaji Educational Memorial Society) but their administrators are SRCM TM and TM SMSF. Launched thanks to a loan of one million dollars, it was inaugurated in June 2005 by Chariji and has hosted more than 150 children in the first year. The goal of the 2nd year was to accommodate 800 students, resulting in an additional requirement of three million.

In his speech on 25/02/05, Chari spoke of money and confidence, and he called… donations: "It is not part of the mission, but the mission is very much part of it. The school will be run Baal Vatika by the Educational Society. The funding will be done by the Baal Vatika Educational Trust. The major source of finance, even for the Trust, will be the Sahaj Marg Spirituality Foundation (…) Of course we need money to realise all these things . We are already indebted to the Allahabad Bank. Fifty lakhs we have already taken (…) So, we need generosity of our people. Parents of children should not only give fees, they should also consent to giving a donation. Receipts will be issued ; there is no black money transaction-no trustees following the money. I am here to see to that. [chuckles] So you see, to provide adequate resources, I propose to start a scheme of donations, say, a minimum of three lakhs which will go to a corpus fund called the Scholarship Fund (…) Those who are willing to give their cheques may bring-three lakhs, which will be gratefully received. The cheques must be in the name of Baal Vatika Educational Trust. Remember, the Trust receives the money, the Society spends the money. [chuckles] "


This explains at least in part the incredible fee increases at seminars, perpetual calls for donations and especially the sale of the book, "Whispers from the Brighter World" of the past year. The SMSF TM thus managed to collect nearly 2 million at the end of 2005, mostly in the United States and in the community of Indian origin. Chariji then explained that there was no worry to be had because he was the guarantor of the financial transparency of the operations…

The Omega Lalaji Memorial School added an "I" for "international" on December 27, 2006. It has acquired the status of an international center recognised by the University of Cambridge for the 2007 school year for students in classes VI to IX, or until the age of 18 (Cambridge IGCSE, International General Certificate of Secondary Education Cambridge). We hope that this will delight both affluent abhyasis, Indian or not, who place their children there…

Failing to teach meditation to the children and adolescents, that Babuji banned before the age of 18 years, the organization has managed to divert partly by instilling its culture and values through VBSE and its first-ever school . They also hope that it will be emulated elsewhere in Switzerland and, in the form of a drop-in day care, counselling, and so on.

Children indoctrinated

Chari has received 150 children from the LMOIS school to the Babuji Memorial Ashram. The SMSF had already organized a contest for children on the theme "What is a guru?". It is a long way from the Sahaj Marg of Babuji and leaving children alone (no meditation before age 18).
The children now suffer indoctrination from an early age. It instills in our children the values of SRCMtm under the cover of VBSE. There are more than 100 schools in India, and attempts at location elsewhere.

If abhyasis possessed genuine human values and concepts of real education, there would be a point of honour to seperate the LMOIS school and the teachings of the Sahaj Marg of Chari, although VBSE draws inspiration from them.

Quite the opposite is actually happening. Instead of teaching spiritual values to children, they are taught the fundamentals of the personality cult of Chari.
Can you imagine what it will be later? Dictatorial regimes have not done better. They manufactured child soldiers.


The financing of Tiruppur


(Last Update: January 5, 2008)


Let it be remembered that the organization of 80 years of Chariji began in total confusion. In late 2006, the Shri Ram Chandra Mission announced that donors of $ 1,200 would be the first beneficiaries of a gift by Master. A blunder of communication, a miserable fiasco.

After the insistence of Chariji to sell us "Whispers from the Brighter World", the excesses of Vrads Sande in Denmark and Italy in Lignano (auction during satsang for example), this was the straw that breaks the camel's back . Everyone is told the amount of the donation as well as to make use of the words "primary beneficiaries". A wave of unprecedented protests takes over the abhyasis. They are finally aware that the mission operates at two speeds: that of the rich and that of the others.

After some hesitation, Chariji reversed course. Participation in the festivities is free. The donations are intended for regional foundations of the SMSF to develop the Mission and its activities. The first donors will be the first recipients of the latest book of Master, "He, the Hookah and I".

It was only during the celebrations that we discover that this "gift" is actually a set of 18 DVDs or 20 hours of Chari's speech, captioned in 7 languages and accompanied by a booklet of transcription to English.

Back to square one: One must still finance Tiruppur. After the spiritual marketing of Chariji for "Whispers", they start surfing the wave of "collectors", and its derivatives. So during the festivities, you can buy an exclusive T-shirt or a special unpublished anniversary photo. "Timeline - Years of Love and Guidance" costs less than $ 30 and contains 300 pages of photographs taken between 1983 and 2007. Evidence that the Shri Ram Chandra Mission knows how to produce publications cheap when it so wishes.

The operation must still be in deficit since new subscription drives are everywhere started for "Whispers" and "Hookah" from the moment of return from Tiruppur. Their deadline is largely outdated and once again there should be no exceptions. They sell the publications - $ 1000 "Hookah" instead of the previous 1,200 - and it comes with its wooden case, only exclusivity to the first recipients. When the culture of derivatives products replaces spirituality, a parallel market to the cash register soon gets put in place.

This is still not enough, therefore, the Shri Ram Chandra Mission cancels the exclusive book of the celebration and announces the release of "And He walks on," a special edition to commemorate his 80th anniversary, a collection of photographs and texts by Chariji between 1983 and 2007 for about fifty dollars.

The Publication Department of the Shri Ram Chandra Mission, which was originally intended to disseminate the speeches of Chariji, has evolved significantly. The donations were too few so we made gifts to donors to help them to give. The commercialism has gradually eroded the publications department, but it has really become professionalized since 2005. The mechanisms are invariants: offer a gift to donors before a date fixed in advance and then postpone the date despite allegations to the contrary from the beginning. What will change, however, is the increase in derivative products, and dizzying price inflation: photos, souvenir albums, badges, T-shirt, and so on.

What will 2008 Lucknow?

25 comments:

sagi said...

Dear brother, If you feel that you are not in any way benefiting from associating yourself with Sri Ramchandra Mission plese feel free to walk out instead of wasting your valuable? time in spreading false information. Your present occupation will neither benefit you nor any reader who happens to read your posts. I am an abhyasi for the last 10 years and has benefited vastly by the practice. But I am not for any post of influence in the organisation and do not chase Chariji day and night. In fact I have seen him only from a decent distance. That is OK for me.

Madhav said...

Yes the mission growing! It needs funds.This post is garbage and I feel it should be ignored totally!

One can see the falacy in the reporting here. None of the fund raising schemes are compulsory. It for those who can afford. People who cannot afford can listen to DVDs and CDs in monthly functions. Books from local chapter are available for reading free of cost. And most of all everyone who contributes is fully aware that he is not getting material return and that he is contributing to the overall functioning of the mission.

frank waaldijk said...

i do not think this post is garbage.

perhaps the style is not the most effective. perhaps there is some overemphasizing.

but as an ex-abhyasi with 12yrs of sincere and dedicated participation in srcm, i can without any doubt in my mind state the following.

i have seen from up close the psychological manipulations around `whispers from the brighter world'. this book was presented beforehand as absolutely essential for one's spiritual progress, and it cost €250. make no mistake, such pressure is not defendable under any spiritual flag.

i have witnessed a constant remembrance of the need for funds. i have seen auctions by chari, where an abhyasi who had just started, could finally obtain a book signed by chari for €10,000.

you can say that people do the same silly things over john lennon's guitar...yes you're right but wasn't this supposed to be a spiritual movement instead of a money machine? what guru should allow such idolatry that people would be willing to pay such ridiculous amount for his signature? shouldn't he be concerned that this abhyasi might be under some temporary influence and cannot really miss that money? should he be not concerned that this abhyasi might later regret his impulse?

and these are but some examples.

the funds of the srcm are a complete mystery, there is no public accounting.

if one is honest, about goals and means, then one has nothing to hide. therefore, charities typically publish their year accounts in the public domain. that way, everyone can see that at least the financial side of things is above board.

the very fact that srcm has no public figures AT ALL, forces people like don to create posts like these.

if you disagree, then please rebut using simple accounting numbers.

some vague reply like: `oh you are just so negative, but all is done in good faith and there is no compulsion' just doesn't cut any ice.

the claim in the two comments above that don's information is false...i would be happy to see this claim substantiated, since then finally there would be some real insight into srcm's financial operating.

however, i also know this: smsf was set up along with the specific goal of creating a trust fund large enough that srcm could live off the interest money alone.

so that the srcm would never have any financial worry.

this to me is also a very unspiritual way of hoarding money, completely comparable to what the roman catholic church does. in a world where poor people need direct incentives to better their economic position, a spiritual movement cannot in good faith put the perpetual functioning of its organization above the direct help which is necessary to ameliorate the poor people's economic position.

and so, no this post is not garbage. it is a necessary first step in demanding accountability of an organization which claims to need funds, when in reality what it needs is probably a reality-check. (yes, that is a word pun, some humour might cheer us all up :-) )

4d-Don said...

Hi Sagi, Madhav, Frank...

Sorry for the delay...my "comment alert" was not activated...It now is.

Frank...

Thanks for your comments and for bringing to my attention the comments on my other blog... I must not have my: "comment alert" on this one... I will rectify that and reply to those comments.

I appreciate your candor and your comments in defense of that blog.

The hard research was not all done by me, so although I understand numbers and financial statements (or lack of in this case), I can't swear to the accuracy of the material presented but I can swear that it was as close as we could come to the TRUTH, and it was presented so as to try and get some honest "rebuttals", along with some concrete "corrections" of anything that may be in error... That has not come and I now don't believe it will ever come. Transparency is not part of their "philosophy" or lack of philosophy...as chari claims for Sahaj Marg... ;-)). It seems that as true capitalists who rely on a "turn-over" in selling products, that the same "turn-over" is practiced with abhyasis...."LOSE one, gain 10". In Pre-internet capitalism, that could work...In the AGE of the INFONAUT, I want to see it EXPOSED and see if the new SPIRITUAL SEEKERS will be as gullible and naive as the previous group, who joined and supported in good FAITH and with open-ness and LOVE their hearts...

TIME WILL TELL if the AGE of the INFONAUT will free us from this type of economic as well as spiritual "manipulation" by the equivalent of our scheming western Religious Televangelists, but from India.... When exposed, they all scream "religious persecution", or "racism"... I care, but for the victims (lambs), not the Predators (lions) ;-))

These are historic times...

When I was much younger, I represented (for 7 years), our city and a neighbouring city on the Board of Governors of a large charity (80+ charities),in Canada, as well as being Vice Chair and "chair of the Management committe" of another consortium of 30 charities, and I was also, "assistant accountant" for a major bank in one of my "previous lives" ;-))

This lack of financial transparency for a "charity" would never fly for secular charities, in Canada. Religious Charities are another thing. The job for the "believers in transparency", is now to expose what our "governments" are insisting is "filed"... Our government will not take them to court, but if made aware, they may refer it to the police, it has to come from the PEOPLE or from US. The "Books" of SRCM Canada and all charities are now "on-line" at:

Simply Google:
Canada Revenue Agency, Charities

enter search as: Shri Ram Chandra Mission,
Location: North York, Ontario

(this site will not remember you id) so you can't "bookmark" and have to re-enter you info every time.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch/sec/SrchLogin-e;jsessionid=L2BpmYCVXqGTGwM30x012
sL9vcpN7TCXP8T2GLJfC75jxTYmQLrQ!20
5909688?searchType=Registered
(you have to put it back together as it is too long for this page)

You will notice, a few years back, that although the Canadian abhyasis claim that all the money raised in one country, stays in that country, when the "LMOS school" was built, $60,000, left Canada and Chari, with his "new loyal" board of directors for SRCM Canada, simply took $60,000.00 off the books. This "change of the Board of Directors" seems to have been part of the "take over" scheme of Chari and his henchman, Santosh, a developper of Hotels and Restaurants in Austin Texas, and in charge of International Affairs for the SRCM (California)...It apparently happened in all countries as Chari took over the organization from the Babuji Family, and SP Srivastava and Umesh (Babuji's son) who were Presidents of SRCM (Shajjahanpur)during this period.

One can go on an on with this religious Mess, but I'm sure that you will see that SRCM(California) is not "transparent" in other countries.... The spiritual and intellectual misuse of power is one thing that one has to "FEEL" intellectually (logically) and emotionally and expose but the "financial" or economic ethics and morality should be "open" in our society. For SRCM (California), it is not...

In SPIRIT...ALL IS ONE...so it does not matter SPIRITUALLY...We can expose misuse and abuse, and still be ONE...

Sagi...

I have left...Now as a true spiritual person, I warn other about this moral and ethical KNOT that I see blocking the "spiritual Path" of those who become snared in the Material SPIDER'S WEB that SRCM(California) has become....

I do this as a DUTY, much as I would if I saw a tree across the road, not because I get paid or because I will go to the "Brighter World" because of it. Hopefully, you will also expose any misuse and abuse if you see it in your intellect (logic) or in your emotions.

SPIRITUALLY, we are all ONE....

MY TIME, sacrifice, dedication, my life, is all I have to GIVE and it is not WASTED, it is my choice to give, and I do it without fear, or expecting of reward or recognition... If others had done it for other "corrupt" RELIGIONS, we may not have had to wait for the INTERNET revolution to finally have hope for finding PEACE as a society.... NOW we can expose all abuse and warn one another... You can do it too...When you do, you will be glad that we are HERE... ;-))

Madhav...

Thanks for taking the time to think about responding to this "false" blog. Where is it false?

Read Frank's comments and his blog: "The Pitfalls of Spirituality" at

http://pitfallsofspirituality.blogspot.com/
and maybe try and learn from the more enlightened than yourself... Chari, trained as an engineer, has not spent much time on "logic, rhetoric, philosophy, spirituality" etc... in his life. He spent most of it making money for a group of "INVESTORS" ... He did not take up the cause of the poor, the "underpaid", etc.. in our society.

At least, religious adherents (adhere means to stick or to be stuck) see their "profession" as a LIFE's occupation, not a hobby or something they do in their "retirement".

How many POOR did you feed today? By how much did you reduce your carbon footprint?

How many ASHRAMS before SRCM is called a "major developper" as Santosh (SRCM's "international Affairs representative") now is?

Is what remains after the ASRAMS are built, NATURAL or Man-made?

BE LIKE NATURE or BE NATURAL...not like SAHAJ MARG, the "easy path". That "easy, natural" commercialized spirituality is similar to the "fast food" from MacDonald's. It does not synchronize with the ONE SPIRIT and hence does not feed the loftier qualities of ethics and morals of its adherents which are hence can not "enhanced" by Sahaj Marg.

4d-don

B.S said...

Dear Don,

I have been reading your's and Shashwath's comments and attempts to damage Chariji's image. I am sure you people are wasting your time bitching around.
We have a saying in India, When an Elephant walks on the street, all the Dogs bark at the Elephant, but the Elephant being massive and gentle, ignores the barking Dogs and continues to walk magnificiently without getting affected.

4d-Don said...

Hi BS...

Thanks for your comments...

It is our time and we can do what we want with it without asking permission from a GURU... or a PROXY for the ONE... WE communicate directly with the ONE (as Vivekananda, Plato, et al.) and we do as we are conscience-bound to do for the safety and illumination of other spiritual seeker...

We have a story in my culture also... When a good citizen drives on the highway and sees a tree across the road, he does not simply turn around and go home and wait for others to clear it. He (the GOOD CITIZEN) stops the first car on both sides of the fallen tree and get the drivers to stop all the other traffic. He then proceeds to cut the tree and remove it from the road if there are no electrical wires down.

We are duty-bound to do the same with the "SPIRITUAL SEEKER" when we are faced with corruption and false teachings that are even against our secular national constitutions and Charter of Rights. (homosexuality, "women can't be Masters", etc...)

It is time for the "immoral" and "un-ethical" religions to learn from the secular society and adhere to our NATIONAL STANDARDS before preaching and illegally sucking "charity" dollars out of our countries to build their PRIVATE SCHOOLS, 28 acre Ranches in Texas, castles in Europe, and other "retirement" percs for the "religious elite"... Sahaj Marg is not SPIRIT but MATTER...

Don..

purnima said...

sagi i agree with you.. people with money mind will see every aspect with money. i would like to thankyou on behalf of all the abhyasis for giving such a reply.

Purnima

4d-don said...

Hi Purnema...

Your welcome... thank you for taking to time to respond...

With the "blogs" and the "INTERNET", the religious scams will only take in those who willingly want to be "taken in". Those have to learn to "use their heads" (brain), and beware of those who "command" to use the "heart (or any other organ), to think".

The heart is a PUMP for blood and is not the "seat of the SOUL" or the center of EMOTIONS... as previously claimed...

The soul, being larger than the body or the heart, is not confined to the body nor the heart, in SPACE and TIME but is part of the consciousness of the carbon entity called HOMO SAPIENS... though the "sapiens" can be debated...

Don...

Max said...

All,

It is natural that anything organization of the magnitude to which SRCM has grown into has its critics and some organizational issues. Anything that is great whether govenment or organization, has issues and such complaints. The benefits that people get out of it should not be ignored.From my personal experience no one is forced to pay and there are Ashram's where it is needed. Many centres have rented temporary place / halls for meditation. There are free medical centres. The specialist doctors and staff who serve there are not paid. But medicines, maintenace need to be paid taken care of. Funds are needed for maintenance of such places and they are given by donors who are willing to give whatever they can. It is very simple if you think it is not utilized properly you have the right not to contribute. But if someone thinks it is used properly and for noble causes they will contribute.

Frank,

"The funds of the srcm are a complete mystery, there is no public accounting."

Its funny how people make these loose comments as if they have prepared the balance sheet.

Don,

Swami Vivekananda also had a Guru and I am sure you know that. He got his guidance from his Guru to have contact with the 'ONE'. Your experiences could be different any may not work for others. I may have a Guru and may achieve what you claim to have achieved with the teachers help. These are personal things and every person is intelligent enough to think for herslf / himself.

All,

I am just curious, but can you please answer these queries

- Enron, Lehman bros went bust and many lost jobs

- A handful of individuals from top institutions in the the US without proper regulation are responsible for a Global economic crisis and millions are without a job.

If we claim to be true world citizens we would also be fighting for their cause.

None of us is perfect and I think all of us need to change and start thinking about greater welfare of people around us without thinking about personal issues that we may have.

4d-Don said...

Hi again Max...

You say: "...without thinking about personal issues that we may have.You seem to have much time on your hands for "personal" endeavours such as "comments on BLOGS" ... Just like us...

Physician heal thyself...

Once you and your GROUP of Scammers, effect others by "invading" their countries with a "pseudo-RELIGION", and a corrupt one at that, we the residents and citizens of the GLOBE called "EARTH", have a right and a duty to expose such RELIGIOUS scams perpetrated in the name of the ONE...

Some, such as Vivekananda who have grown up in the "tradition" of the GURU in INDIA, have managed to remain intellectually intact ... some such as many of the "abhyasis" of SRCM have become "emotional, arrogant, egotistical, intellectually moronic, and megalomaniacal, thinking that their path is the "ONLY" one, and hence are trying to "grow their (nationalist) business at the cost of created social ills. Such ills in the SRCM Group are: "break-up of families", suicide, attempted murder, and other allegations of immoral, un-ethical (re-registering the SRCM in California), and even allegations of "criminal" activity by this group of pseudo-spiritual proselytizers...

We will continue to expose them... Get used to it ...

Free medical services and "private boarding schools" built with our Canadian "charitable" dollars, usurped by and for the wealthy, with some service to the "token" poor for show, is what the RELIGIONS have practice in the third world for centuries also ... Food and Medicine have been, and are still the "come-ons" for these RELIGIOUS "scam artists" ...

Go home and MEDITATE and BE Spiritual NOW, and leave the "GOOD PEOPLE" from other countries in spiritual peace and serenity, rather than making your way to our door, and then selling your "Becoming Spiritual" tomorrow, as your group profiteers today, while traveling and lodging for FREE, at the expenses of our tax-exempt "charitable dollars" ...

We will soon close that charitable "LOOP hole" which some RELIGIOUS scum of the world now uses to en-rich themselves as they build their private commercial markets in the target countries, traveling on Charitable dollars while being "obeyed and worshiped" by the unsuspecting, un-informed and gullible masses.

Don ...

Max said...

Hi Don,

You have been hurling abuses (GROUP of Scammers, and I have also answered patiently. ("emotional, arrogant, egotistical, intellectually moronic, and megalomaniacal.). If i had to take it personally I would have called you names too :).It is just that I have the extra bit of time and I take it to read your funny blogs.

Anyway, I am just curious when there are so many bigger groups with really convicted people (like the catholic church) why you write only against SM. Why don't you write aginst the really corrupt ones?.After all you are a self proclaimed 'world citizen' and your story of "When a good citizen drives on the highway and sees a tree across the road, he does not simply turn around and go home and wait for others to clear it. " thing seems to have a narrow objective when I see that your blogs ONLY deal with SM.

Please be bold enough to tell that you have personal reasons to abuse SM and its Master.

Swami Vivekananda was more than a intellectual. He was spiritual and he was a giant among men.

Also learn to criticize without hurting others by calling them names if you have good intentions to correct others. You seem to lack the maturity that a 65 year old should have.

Physician heal thyself... - Why don't you heal yourself ?

"unsuspecting, un-informed and gullible masses"

- Thats funny.This is prejuidice at its best.

So much for the "citizens of the GLOBE". :)

4d-Don said...

Max...

My work with the Holy Roman Catholic Church is finished, except for a supporting role and sending the odd letter to the POPE... their numbers are shrinking and where there were once 7 parishes, there are now 1 priest for 7 churches in our area ... The "teaching brothers and sisters" are gone...kicked out of our towns, and not even left in peace to "RETIRE"....OUT!! ... The seminaries are gone, the hospitals are not controlled by the "nuns" anymore...the Universities are now "secular"... That is a 400 year journey for our families...but finally, we are rid of them ... I am patient also!!

Now we have to deal with the INVASION of the "SPIRITUALISTS" from India and the EAST ... who come dividing and conquering much like the catholics and other "christian" denomination did to the aboriginals... They (SRCM) are now my focus as I was once an "abhyasi" of Babuji and saw the "corruption" that entered with Chari...I met him and I felt him... NOT IMPRESSIVE for the truly SPIRITUAL... it impresses the "gullible and the needy" but they have to wake up too... SPIRITUALITY..yes... SRCM and it's SPIRITUALISM and PROFITEERISM a la "capitalism" is not what any true MASTER is... or espouses...

Those who bow to such crass "commercial" invading religions but would not join in and LOVE in "christianity" show their lack of emotional integrity ... At least the message of Christ was one of LOVE and true BROTHERHOOD (Christ never had his men attack anyone, allegedly) ...not like this narcisissitic, navel-gazing, self-serving gang from SRCM who are truly BUSINESSMEN, profiteering from the spiritual needs of the masses by giving them "Blind OBEDIENCE" and SPIRITUALISM...(Messages from the dead) and if it continues with the pattern of the past Brahmins, according to the Dalits and the Sudras (the blacks of the south of India) Astrology and Numerology should be next... they call it the "DENSING" of the Population.

This gang will take you to "violence" as they have done to the family of Babuji and you will see "suicides" (one that we know of already) , and attempted murders (already three that we know of) and your family and friends will "divide" (many that we know of) ... What's next for this "apocalyptic" crowd... The last WARS? MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE?

I will protect my family and friends and community and PLANET from these "capitalist" religious profiteers and will do so on my OWN BLOG...

If you don't like it, go elsewhere... I am not a "judas goat" luring my people to be DIVIDED by the "agents" of the RELIGIOUS PROFITEERS...or is that PRIVATEERS...like PIRATES!!

How many Gays are beaten up today, because of Chari's HATE statements about "homosexuality"... And you fund that?? YOU ARE GUILTY TOO!! How many other religions has Chari "abused" and "bad-mouthed" today? Chari can protect himself with his gang of goons ... YOU the abhyasis and the preceptors (priests) will face the PEOPLE in your own community. Ask the Catholic Brothers and Sisters if they feel the "EMOTIONS OF THE PEOPLE"? The abused MASSES??

TOLERANCE FOR THE TOLERANT... Your gang under Chari, is not the TOLERANT!!

Don...

Max said...

Mate,

"their numbers are shrinking and where there were once 7 parishes, there are now 1 priest for 7 churches in our area" - Your area... come on mate. You are a self proclaimed world citizen. You should be doing more than that.

Canada is not 'your' country as you claim. Isn't it? How old is Canadian history ? As you yourself said have stated, the aboriginals are the real canadians. How much of a 'canadian' are you ? Others who have come during the last few years are as much 'canadian' as you are.

I know few 'Blacks from south of India' who are associated with the system and they are more knowledgeble than anyone I have met. Please don't call them 'gullible'. It only shows your total ignorance and bloated ego.

How many of the violence stories are true ? Have you validated it yourself. India is not Nigeria or Ghana where anyone occupies any place. No one can 'occupy' any place without proper documents and court orders.

Why don't you raise your voice against your govt for giving amnesty to terrorist outfits which are using 'human bombs' to kill more than 100000 people till date. Have you done it or are you happy with the protecting your 'families' and let the rest of the world to go to hell ?

"If you don't like it, go elsewhere" - why mate. Are you not able to take the truth ? You are already on your knees. Get help from some of your other friends who are writing bigger lies than than those on you blog.

TOLERENCE for the Tolerant - Is that your philosophy ? Well... Well... People can read the blog and judge for themselves as to who is 'tolerant'.

4d-Don said...

Hi "Brother" Max ...

GOTCHA!!

You are a good example of Tolerance and Brotherhood ... I expose the scams, and I don't sell RELIGION, Chari, Sahaj Marg, and SRCM, registered in California-1997 sell RELIGION ... And as RELIGIOUS adepts, we hear the talk and we see the NO WALK!! Just another SCAM!!

So Keep SPEWING your LOVE and BROTHERHOOD ... YOU are a good example of SRCM-California-1997. You help our cause ... I will make you our POSTER BOY!!

You sound like yet another poor "addict" of the OPIATES of the MASSES: RELIGION!

Don ...

I will send (transmission) you some light from the ONE ... to help you deal with your EMOTIONS, Spiritualism and Materialism ...

;-))

Max said...

Don,

Mate, You are undisputed poster boy. Don't give me the honour that you thoroughly deserve after all this witchhunt and the hundreds of hours useless hours you have spent online to perpetuate nothing but stories that would qualify for best 'fantasy' story in the academy awards.

You call me 'gullible' and 'addict' while you deserve these honors to believe IN someone on all the stories that you have written on the web. who is more 'gullible' ? You are more than addicted to defame something that hundereds of thousands of people are finding beneficial. Are you more intelligent and 'intellectual' than all of them ?

Thanks for the offer to send some light. I saw your comments on the 'heart pumps blood thing' disputing the eternal fact that the 'heart is the seat of the soul' as every religion believes and every spiritual Master acknowledges. Do you need references ? I can give many and I feel for you in my 'heart'. Your materialistic bent of mind has taken out this simple fact out of your brain (if you do have one);)

Now answer these questions of mine (which you have been conveniently avoiding) instead of calling me names and I will accept that you are doing this with true intentions.

- Why don't you raise your voice against your govt for giving amnesty to terrorist outfits which are using 'human bombs' to kill more than 100000 people till date. Have you done it or are you happy with the protecting your 'families' and let the rest of the world to go to hell ?

- You said you took care of 'cleaning' the roman catholic system in your area. what is the proof of your claims ? Where is your 20 page blog on the roman catholic church ?

There are more questions coming your way... First answer these questions ...POSTER BOY DON... :)

4d-Don said...

Max...

How many years have you meditated with Chari or SRCM to become as "saintly" as you show yourself to be?

Are you now or were you in the past, always: emotional? and Short-fused? or is that something new since taking up "Sahaj Marg"? Many others "abhyasis" and even "preceptors" are looking to other "therapies" See my article: "SRCM, Astrology and the THERAPIES" on: http://4d-don.blogspot.com/2009/05/srcm-astrology-and-therapies-of-all.html ... to deal with the emotionalism created by Sahaj Marg ... You may want to look at some yourself. Even Babuji went through a "depressed" state of up to 10 years ... read his autobiography (exerpts with comments here (to give you an idea): http://autobiographyoframchandra.blogspot.com/.

Do you have "demonic" (ravana) experiences? Chari mentions them (calls them?) often! (Egregores, being autonomous, could be, or become "demonic" ... so Heads Up!! When you start wanting to "wipe some people out" or "eliminate" them for "thinking" and expressing "FREEDOM of thought and SPEECH, you are becoming: "ravenous")

In my article: Sahaj Marg Recipe Book at http://4d-don.blogspot.com/2009/04/sahaj-marg-recipe-book.html

Dealing with Rajasic Foods (including spicy foods). Do you eat a lot of "spicy foods"?

They help to create aggressive and dominating thoughts to emerge, especially towards others. Helps create a huge ego. As in, when someone wants to be the best in the clan and will keep everyone down to advance.I do my own THINKING! Does that make me more "intellectual" than those who "obey blindly" and agree to "keep the Master Happy in ALL CIRCUMSTANCES" (Chari)?? Some would say so, but I would not DARE!! ;-))

Do you ever read Chari's Speeches?
Do you not see his abuse of "gays", other religions, other "SPIRITUAL GROUPS", calling them "liars, war mongers, promoting wars, placing Sahaj Marg above RELIGIONS such as ISLAM, Chrisitianity, Hinduism, Judaism, etc.. (all of them) ... If he can abuse others, he has created the "ACTION" so that NATURE (the Bloggers) are the REACTION and are his KARMA ... WE (I) do target other groups but as peripheral and under "aliases", for obvious reasons... The war mongers and the perpetrators of violence, are mostly the RELIGIOUS clans !! YOU!!

The "Bomb carriers" (religious terrorists or gov't terrorists) are the same "BLIND OBEDIENCE" fanatics as you at SAHAJ MARG will become given a few more decades. So change NOW, (start thinking for yourself), or you see yourself and/or your "offsprings" in the religious terrorism of today. Your group has already allegedly attacked the FAMILY of the Founder and violently and forcefully removed them (see the testimonials on YOUTUBE)... is that the LOVE you talk about? Or the "hate literature" from Chari towards the GAYS that could get them "beaten up" by such RELIGIOUS "blind obedient" henchmen at the fringes of all religions. Religions attract the MISFITS of society who skew the messages and do the EVIL deeds so as to be accepted by the GROUP (their last place to fit in) and fit in to the "egregore" GROUPTHINK see article on Groupthink by ex-zonal Netherlands (Frank).

Pitfalls of Spirituality http://pitfallsofspirituality.blogspot.com/...

We also have testimonials of "suicide" and "attempted murder" among the arranged marriages of Chari. http://skaijourney.blogspot.com/2007/07/guadalupe-fragments.html


I have had my share of "threats" by the "religious terrorists" already, and I do my work there under an ALIAS and from a different "station", for a good reason ...

My work with the VATICAN and Catholicism was before the INTERNET and ended (or took third place) when SRCM influenced my life, and the "religious terrorism" started and I will not re-hash that material here of "scan it" so as to put it on line. It (my part) is already done and that battle is led by others who are very brave, efficient and don't need my input except in a "supportive" role. I call on others also when in need ... BTW, I would like an analysis of your conversation by a "psycho-linguist" ...

But I agree with you ... That could be your JOB, rather that leaving all the "DIRTY WORK" to us ... HELP out and take a stand... Where is your PROOF of involvement?

You say: "my gov't" but I am a believer in 'DIRECT DEMOCRACY", (voting on the issues" so all "gov'ts are not MY gov't"
... I did not vote for them, I don't fund them, and I told them my mind already and do so over and over. And these "right wing (religious)" fanatics who are in power around the world and causing wars and atrocities, are elected by "RELIGIOUS" fanatics, and adherents to "blind obedience" to, and promoters of "SCRIPTURES" from a gang of "war Mongering" devotees and their Warring and EMOTIONAL GODS ...

If Chari (and other such GURUS?) would not "neutralize" all the "environmentalists, peace-activists, and general do-gooders, with his materialist "development" and navel-gazing narcissism, maybe they would speak out on these issues rather than "spending their time in 'orgasmic" birthday parties to the dictators and autocrats of SPIRITUALITY ... Chari and Mugabe (Zimbabwe), who celebrate their BIRTHDAYS as the world is in a Financial, political, ecological, and medical (pandemics) CRISIS!! Does that not hit you as CORRUPT and "EGOTISTICAL" and self-serving? Like all capitalists, Chari wants to profiteer (free lodging, food, for his entourage, with adoring fans, ready to buy his latest film, book, DVD, etc...) and leave the clean up of their mess to the GOOD PEOPLE of the WORLD>... US...

Get up off you asses and make the world a better place rather than indulging in your narcissistic practice of navel-gazing, and of: "Save yourself" (Liberation) and the hell with the family and the friends, society, planet.

Religions create a THEY/US ... they (WE) are now your "enemies" according to Chari! We who were disciples of BABUJI and are still SPIRITUAL and are "DO-gooders" and face REALITY ... That is you DEVELOPERS of RELIGIONS who do that, paving yet one more bit of NATURE (paradise) so as build a MATERIAL Church from which to SEE GOD... ;-))

If you GOOGLE 4d-don you will see my bio (from WIKI) ... My society has recognized my work.

The gov'ts? They are US if we will VOTE ON THE ISSUES and become the MASTERS of our own COUNTRIES and thus control our servants (politicians) who are now running the ship but running it into war and destruction. I believe in a DEMOCRACY but a DIRECT Democracy... read up on it ... Become involved also!

Do you sign petitions? Are you involved? http://www.avaaz.org/en/

I will prepare an article with this conversation so as to show how "BROTHERLY" one becomes when one meditates with SRCM and post it on:

OUR WORLD FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION
http://4d-don.blogspot.com/

I'm sure you don't mind being "quoted"!
Thanks for giving me some more "material"... this INTERNET would have been helpful in my other past battles with RELIGIONS ... Oh Well! At least the other generations will not be FOOLED again ... WE HOPE!! ;-))

By the WAY... Many people are happy with ISLAM, Christianity, and even many were happy with the ancient Greek and Roman pagan religions (zeus, jupiter, venus, athena, appollo, etc..) but they are now called MYTHOLOGIES... And having "numbers" does not make RIGHT.

OPIATES have their "happy" and content people too who get "emotional" when their addiction is "attacked" or taken away (hence the need for a preceptor, who is a supplier to the addict, much as the priest with "confession and communion" and the other sacrements (7) are in Christianity.)

Our current Religions (including Sahaj Marg and its channeled Bible from the FRENCH Lady Medium- SPIRITUALISM) will go that route too, now that we have witnessed an INFORMATION Revolution (INTERNET) ... the PEOPLE will not be fooled for much longer ... The numbers are starting to fall ... hence the attacks from the emotional addicts as instructed by the SRCM "mullahs" (retired and active police, military, politicians, nationalists) ...

Don...

Max said...

Don,

Mate...

1. I have claimed no where on this blog that I am saintly. You have told atleast a 100 times that you have contact with the 'ONE'.

2. Please go through this blog.

"If you don't like it, go elsewhere..."

- These are your words. Now who is emotional ;). Do you need a therapist now ? I can suggest a few.

3. As you do your 'THINKING' so can everyone else do it for themselves. Let their heart guide them.

4. About the violence - you are the blindly believing them. Please validate the stories of violence before you actually report them. As I said India is not Zimbabwe, Ghana where anyone occupies any place.

Now about the work you are doing for other things... it could perhaps guide you.

I am also involved in other things - promoting free education for children, helping out heart patients and few other things when I have time and resources at my disposal. My attitude of service has changed since I started meditation. It is a change that I felt and my involvement is even deeper. As I have told you, you can't refute my experiences and maybe I can't refute your experiences.

I understand from some other website of yours that your wife left you and that is the reason for your repeated attacks on SM. I needed to know why you did this and now I know it. If you claim to be transparent, please write this on every blog of yours in the first few lines. Let people know the real reason why you are doing it.

4d-Don said...

Hey Max...

1. But Chari sells "his" spiritualist (not Babuji's) "system" (chanelled by a Medium) as if it will make one Saintly ... So anyone who uses his system should be "advancing towards" Sainthood ... He Must think he is a SAINT himself as one can't sell what one does not have...Babuji's letter to Chari (while still alive) seems to refute that assumption ...

2. Not emotional at all... I chuckle as I say it as it is so much fun revealing or exposing REALITY. It is after all the reason for our "search" in this world, is it not to face REALITY!!

3. Most thinkers "use the proper tool for thinking: the brain,(the analytical and enterpretive center of the Human carbon entity's perceptions (analysed inputs), and the "receptors" (senses) into conceptions (ideas). As well, I use the Intuition, as well as the "conscience", which is a combination of what one brought into this world (through the genes) and what one became (the effect of the environment) and consciousness as a whole.

The heart is a PUMP for BLOOD not for "thinking"... It is the story that religious manipulators use to keep the masses relying on the top of the PYRAMID for the THINKING (from the MASTER or the BOSS) ... You serfs are still unable to figure out the PATH to the ONE by yourselves as it is too close to you ... like EVERYWHERE and EVERYWHEN and EVERYTIME (the E-Trinity) ... But after being "disappointed" by a few of these "charlatans" a few times, as I have, you will chose to deal with the ONE directly.

4. Not blindly... I read court records, newspaper clippings, and testimonials from "credible" people. I worked in "information gathering and dissemination" for many years... I check and re-check... But you are free to "blindly" and emotionally believe what you want ... My job is not to convince you but to expose my version of the truth about this group, which has been a "negative" experience in my life, for all to see ... Do whatever you want with it...

Good for you to work for free education for children and for heart patients ... I hope it is not only for the children of the well-to-do, that attend "private schools" built with "charitable dollars" from other countries such as the LMOS school...
$60,000 of that "charity for the wealthy" came from Canada ... I hope you will work to send that money back so it can be used for "free education" for children here in Canada as it was promised and told to the abhyasis when they "donated" or bought the "material" or volunteered to increase the numbers. Many of our kids attend school in "mobiles", not with 14 foot high ceilings as LMOS ...

My testimonial of my experience with Sahaj Marg and the SRCM (California-1997) of Chari is everywhere! I am not the only one effected by this gang of scammers, re-registeres, and usurpers, but most just go away, and some die ... I haven't yet! ... But I will eventually...

I communicate with Babuji all the time and His smile on my actions is also one of my reasons ... I do it also as a gift for him, as he did for me with his sharing of his experience. He was not my MASTER, but simply a fellow "searcher" just like you. His family was also dear to him, as MINE to me! He is gone from the Material, I am not!!

Don...

yogi said...

Hi Don,
Have been really going through your blogs for a long time now.
A lot of things which Chariji says should be taken in the overall right sense, rather than analyse it word by word.
For example about religions and the way he criticises it.I feel what he inteneds is not criticism aimed at religion as such, but the way it is practised today, by people as well as priests etc.
I am born in a hindu brahmin family.We are supposed to do prayers three times a day to chant gayathri as well as to clean all impurities we devolep in a day thorugh water offerings.
But what I observe is that nowadays it has just become a ritual where the sacred thread wearing ceremony happens and once it is done, people start the ritual, but nobody cares to explain to the kids the purpose why it is done and most importantly in what frame of mind it is to be done.

yogi said...

cont2..

This is the same with allmost all the hindu religious practises, the reason why something is done is lost and just the ritual remains.I do not know too much about how it is in other religions' practises, rather than what i hear, so I am not fit to comment on that.
But in systems like sahaj marg the emphasis on the power of thought, and how i conduct myself as a person.
So I felt that atleast in my case sahaj marg as a spiritual system offered a more effective system to pursuit my spiritual goal, which i felt was just a continuation of my religious upbrining.So even though i practise sahaj marg, it adds to my religious upbrining, i feel that i became a wholesome person and less domgatic.
Now atleast in India,among hindus, i see that the love for GOD is missing in the sense that, nowadays HE is seen as a materialistic provider.People go to temple and offer him small poojas so that they get their day to day material things done.Priests who coem to home to offer poojas ( a majority of them atleast) are just doing things for the sake of it.
I am not saying that this is wrong or something, but what I felt was that If GOD is the eternal one, then will he ever deny us anything.So the religious teachers, atleast among hindus have failed to teach themasses about the methodology to be adopted in worship. How it needs to be scaled up level after level, ultimately seeing the GOD in each one among us.
Why i say this is, atleast during my grand father's time they lived a simpel life, not that financially good, but they survived, but they were happy , had a purpose in life , which was "moksh", and lived a life in such a way that they could attain this goal. But now, when I see my friends, especialy today, when money is very much available for India's GEN X, they are having it in plenty, but none are happy. I am afraid to say young people are aping West, partying every weekends, dating,boozing etc. I do not ostrecize it, but people are unhappy in the sense that feeling on cententness is missing, which i feel is the danger materialism brings. For that i feel a simple spiritual system is the need.

yogi said...

cont3...
Also,the organisation of Sahaj Marg is run by people at various levels of evolution, so some issues might be there, which should be sorted out.
But overall the system I feel offers a good oppurtunity ,an effective one, to get spiritual progress.
Even though Whispers was announced for a big amt, immediately after publication it is available free in the net.
Also He the Hookah and I, though the DVD has costly, atleast here in my state in India, the regional language transalation is priced at 2$.
Also you have put quotes of verious speecehs of Master, where he is asking for Donations, there is also a speech given by Master, where He says that nobody should give any donation compramising his family's financial stature.
But I agree that I have seen people giving money which they can ill afford to,whcih I feel is their mistake, bcos I feel, a person running a family should know how to amange his finances and allocate what % of money to each activity.
Also I am practising this method by the time I was 18 and now it is 7 years, in my centre there is no coercion to give donations etc
Yes, I have seen that some of the abhyasis who do not understand the system and who i feel might have had dogmas during their older days,bring and show the same here,but the majority i have interacted with are not like that nad i feel if the sadhana is done correctly, change will happen surely.
Initially when I read about thigs you had written, i was asking myslef, what am I following is right or not. I asked the question to myself.Then I realsied from within me that this is the path for me. I saw many systems in India and understood that apart from the many fake ones which are there, the ones like Sahaj Marg, Art of Living, Mata AmritanandaMay etc etc were catering to people of different spiritual eveolutionary levels.
This is just my opinion though, as I feel that people need to realise that spirituality is the essence of life, whichever the system he may be and whichever Guru they choose.
Peace to all
Vineeth

4d-Don said...

Hi Vineeth

Thanks for your comments... (your epistle, ;-))

I understand your comments. What you say about "Hinduism" or other religions does not make them "corrupt" (as stated by Chari) any more than what is happening in Sahaj Marg does not make "Sahaj Marg" corrupt. The people who manage the "political and financial entities" may be "materialistic" and "goal driven" in both cases, as opposed to living the JOURNEY as Spirituality claims to be.

From Religion, we expect that rigidity and dogmatism, as they are old and "rigor mortis" (latin: "rigidity of death") is setting in. But Sahaj Marg is fairly new and should be free from the "deviancy" of age. If a "new religion" (neo-religion) begins by being "materialistic", it can't claim to be any different from other materialistic "RELIGIONS", and hence Chari can't call them: "corrupt", because of their "materialism".

His (Chari's) condemnation of Christianity is more one of theology, rituals and catechism. He says that priests can't forgive sins and that catholics lie in the confessional (where the priest erases their sins). It is not his place to criticize other religions, or their "rituals", in the name of "BROTHERHOOD".

This is not a criticism of Sahaj Marg but a criticism of Sahaj Marg as it is practiced by "CHARI" or as it is practiced today. Today, Chari has made "spirituality" the same as "spiritialism" with seances to get messages from the deceased, and then selling the "whispers" (messages) to the naive for "TOO MUCH" money, as fund-raisers ... It is called "profiteering". Once the targets are made "needy" or "habituated" or "addicted", SRCM (California-1997) sells them the product for more money than it is worth and for more money that they would get if the "target market" was left totally FREE. The FREE market place does not work well in RELIGIONS of SPIRITUALISM or with the OPIATES of the MASSES.

4d-Don said...

continued...

The power of thought can be used without Sahaj Marg... We all use the power of thought but direct it to the ONE or to the "ism" of our choice, and not necessarily a "religious" ism, but a more secular "line of thought" ... and not to entrap our "BROTHERS" in a repetitions (visits to the preceptors or satsangh) and/or rituals of "creating an egregore", or GROUPTHINK, or even the ritual of reading "seven of eight times" (according to Chari) the "WHISPERS", so as to "erase the samskaras". (what apparently the catholic priest can't do, (erase sins)) Chari claims that a repetition of a "channeled message from an anonymous French Lady Medium can do)...that is a deviancy from Babuji's Sahaj Marg and is not SPIRITUALITY but Spiritualism... that is "corruption" of Babuji's Method and of Raja Yoga.

The Egregore should also be seen as a deviancy from Babuji... An 'autonomous psychic entity" (or an archangel in Christian "angelology") is not Raja Yoga nor is it the Sahaj Marg of Babuji...

So I appreciate your rationalizing of your chosen path, but from the "outside" you are also in a "path" that has many traps and much corruption, just like the other RELIGIONS that your Master "insults" and dis-respects" in the name of BROTHERHOOD...

But you are free to chose the path you wish ...But careful of what you wish ... you may get it and then you must be "content" and will be asked or "requested" to try and lure others to it ... in gratitude for the gift of Chari.

That is why I try and give a "HEADS UP" to the unsuspecting seeker who may be in "crisis" mode and can't do the research as I now can from a distance ... I just make the material I find available to all ...

I am an INFONAUT ... and that is OUR POWER ... WE, the People, will not get fooled again, unless we REALLY REALLY want to. ;-))

If the "Information", the gift of the INFONAUT (the information "MINER") does not "transform" the world then we could drift (deteriorate) from the Age of the INFONAUT to the Age of the ARCHANGEL (egregores), which power as Christians, we took away from the Vatican with the REFORMATION ... they (the Vatican) can't use "SATAN" or LUCIFER on us with any credibility, any more ... the same with the "egregores" or the POWER of Chari. Babuji said to "don't use it", and claimed that Sahaj Marg would not allow the POWERS to become "manifest" ... That is not so, as Chari is now getting the abhyasis to create and use an "egregore" and that is a ritual and a POWER and it is not Raja Yoga but "SPIRITUALISM" and "RELIGION" and a "corruption" of LOVE and specially of "BROTHERHOOD" which Sahaj Marg claims to foster ...

Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis would say:

"The MONSTER is of the ID!" (imagination).

4d-don...

Unknown said...

Sahaj Marg is as easy and simple as Babuji has been.It has helped transform many a soul across the universe.Let the bounty of true love from the Mastersflow freely in the hearts of Abhyasis.Master Bless every soul even the misguided ones.

4d-Don said...

The "Universe" is a little larger than the influence of Sahaj Marg, Chari or Babuji ... Be a little more humble and find a path that realizes the REALITY ... not a tribal and inaccurate fantasy.

Learn to walk before you try and fly...

Learn to love before you try and teach it!



Don..